A few weeks ago I was interviewed by Ray Belli who produces the Words For Granted podcast. From Donald Trump to McDonalds, we discuss a range of topics relating to my book How to Apologise for Killing a Cat: Rhetoric and the Art of Persuasion.

You can listen to the podcast on the Words for Granted website and on Spotify.

The first topic we discuss is rhetoric’s bad reputation and I share the analogy of rhetoric of being like fire. Fire is incredibly powerful. It can be used for good or for bad – but, most importantly, it can be used irresponsibly.

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